MINUTES OF MEETINGS OF THE COMMISSION

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MINUTES OF THE FIRST MEETING HELD ON 23RD MARCH, 2000

 

 

            The first meeting of the Commission was held at 10.00 A.M. on 23rd March, 2000 in the Committee Room No.1 of India International Centre to discuss agenda items as circulated to the members.  The meeting was chaired by Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah and was attended by all the members.  The list of the participants is at annex.

 

2.         The Chairperson, at the outset, extended his warm welcome to all the members.  In his opening remarks he emphasised the significance and importance of the work of the Commission and the procedural aspects which need to be kept in mind.  After the opening remarks of the Chairperson, agenda items were taken up for discussion.

 

Agenda Item No.(VI): Procedure for the meetings etc.

 

3.         The meeting started with the discussion on the Agenda Item No.(VI) which was taken up first inasmuch as it related to the procedure for meetings of the Commission.  After some discussion the members were of the view that for the present a verbatim records/tape recording of the entire proceedings of each meeting may not be necessary but comprehensive minutes of the meeting should be prepared and circulated to the members.  It was also decided that, generally, a notice of two weeks should precede the date of future meetings of the Commission.

 

Agenda  Items  No. (II):Scope and  amplitude of the terms of reference  of  the  Commission  and  agenda  Item No. (III): Identification of the areas and topics to be considered by the Commission

 

4.         The meeting thereafter discussed items II and III of the agenda.  Taking note of the terms of the reference of the Commission, it was observed that its terms of reference do not require it to “re-write” the Constitution as, indeed, the name of the Commission itself indicated the function is to “review the working of the Constitution” and not to re-write the Constitution and that the recommendation of the Commission were essentially advisory in nature.

 

5.         In regard to the areas where the working of the constitution over the past 50 years needed to be reviewed, it was unanimously felt that the constitutional aspirations for raising the living conditions of the poor and the deprived and ensuring them an adequate means of livelihood was one such important area. It was unanimously emphasised that protection of the constitutional rights of Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Other Backward Classes and the minorities required to be effectively ensured and improved.

 

6.         It was decided to examine the working of the present provisions of the Constitution and the applicable laws and practice to consider how the constitutional objectives in the aforesaid areas could be better achieved.

 

 

7.         The meeting identified certain areas of immediate contemporary concern and proposed to look into those areas in the first instance.  The areas identified were:

 

 

I.        Strengthening the institutions of Parliamentary democracy and their accountability; the grave and persisting menace of un-principled defections.

 

 II.          Constitution and pace of socio-economic change and development: promoting literacy; generating employment; ensuring social security and removal of poverty.

 

III.         Union-State relations:

Working of Article 356; appointment and removal of Governors.

 

IV.         Decentralisation and devolution of powers; strengthening of Panchayati Raj Institutions.

 

V.         Fundamental Rights:

Enlargement  of  the  Fundamental  Rights  in Part-III of  the  Constitution  by  specific  incorporation   of   the  Freedom   of  the   Media,   Right   to   Compulsory

Elementary Education, Right to Privacy and Right to Information.

 

VI.            Effective enforcement of the Directive Principles of State Policy in Part IV of the Constitution in order to achieve the goals enshrined in the Preamble and for good governance.

 

VII.           Fundamental Duties under Part-IVA of the Constitution.

 

  VIII.           Fiscal and Monetary Policies; size of government and of government expenditure.  Efficacy of public audit mechanisms.

 

8.            Further, as aforesaid and subject to the terms of the reference, the meeting decided to invite public suggestions regarding other areas, if any, that the Commission may be required to examine in the course of its work of reviewing the working of the Constitution.

 
Agenda Item No. (IV): Constitution of panel of expert advisers.

 

9.            It was decided to associate reputed experts and research institutions in each of the above areas to function as advisory panels.  For the purposes of identifying such experts, resource institutions/persons, the meeting decided to constitute a sub-committee consisting of the following members:

 

(i)     Hon’ble Justice Shri Jeevan Reddy.

(ii)         Shri Soli J. Sorabjee.

(iii)       Shri K. Prasaran.

(iv)    Shri Abid Hussain.

(v)     Shri Subash Kashyap.

 

10.          In regard to the procedure and methodology in evaluating the working of   the Constitution in   the areas identified, it   was also   decided that   a ‘consultation paper’ on each of the aforesaid areas along with  a  Questionnaire formulated in an appropriate format, shall be circulated to all the political parties; Constitution and Statutory Commissions such as, National Commission for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes; National Commission for other Backward Classes; National Commission for Minorities; National Human Rights Commission; National Commission for Women and other similar bodies; Trade Unions; Representative Bodies of Trade and Industry; Bar Associations; Universities and Colleges; Academicians; research institutes; Media and NGOs.  It was also decided to place the consultation paper and Questionnaire on the Commission’s Website on the Internet for  access  to the general public.  The Commission also decided that recommendations or proposals to make shall be put to public debate before finalising them.

 

Agenda Item No.(I): Notification relating to constitution of the Commission.

 

11.          It was noted that the notification constituting the Commission has been amended to provide  that  in  case  of  the Chairperson, his condition of service shall be the same as applicable to a serving Chief Justice of India.  It was also noted that the said notification has also been amended to provide that a member of the Commission, who is a Member of Parliament, shall not be entitled to any remuneration or allowance other than the allowance as defined in clause (a) of section 2 of the Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Act, 1959.   The  meeting was informed that the  Chairperson  has  decided  to  accept  a  notional  honorarium of Re. 1 per month.  Most of the members also responded by saying that they would also not  claim  allowance  of   Rs. 1,000/- for attending the meetings of the Commission.

 

Agenda Item No. (V): Accommodation for the office of the Commission

 

12.          In respect of agenda item No.(V), the meeting was informed that accommodation for the Commission is likely to become available very soon in Vigyan Bhavan Annexe.

 
Agenda Item No. (VII): Other subjects:
 
(i) Spokesperson of the Commission

 

 

13.          The meeting of the Commission requested Hon’ble Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy to act as spokesperson of the Commission in relation to the Press.  Justice Shri Jeevan Reddy graciously accepted.

 

(ii) Next meeting of the Commission

 

14.          It was decided that the next meeting of the Commission shall be held on 22nd April, 2000 at 10.00 A.M.  The meeting would be extended to the next day, if necessary.

 

(iii) Commencement of the term of the Commission.

 

15.       In the meeting it was observed that as certain formalities relating to amendment of the Resolution constituting the Commission could only be completed with the publication of Government of India Notification No.A-45012(2)/98-Admn.III (LA) dated the 17th March, 2000, the Commission could hold its first meeting today only, that is, 23rd March, 2000.    In view of this, the members felt that the term of the Commission may be deemed to have commenced with effect from the date of its first meeting.   It was also decided to apprise the Government accordingly.

 

16.                The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

(Dr. Raghbir Singh)

Secretary

 

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS   OF THE FIRST MEETING

 

1.                   Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah  (In Chair)

2.                   Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy  

3.                   Justice Shri R.S. Sarkaria          

4.                   Justice Dr. Kottapalli Punnayya

5.                   Shri P.A. Sangma, M.P.   

6.                   Shri Soli J. Sorabjee, Attorney General

7.                   Shri K. Parasaran

8.                   Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap

9.                   Shri C.R. Irani, Editor in Ch. & MD., Statesman  

10.               Dr. Abid Hussain 

11.               Smt. Sumitra G. Kulkarni

12.               Dr. Raghbir Singh, Secretary

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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MINUTES OF THE SECOND MEETING HELD ON 22ND APRIL, 2000

 

 

            The second meeting of the Commission was held at 10.00 A.M. on 22nd April, 2000 in the Committee Room  ‘C’ of Vigyan Bhawan  Annexe. The meeting was chaired by Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N.Venkatachaliah and was attended by all the members.  The list of the participants is at Annex-I.

 

2.         The Chairperson welcomed the members and briefly explained the issues to be discussed in various agenda items. The meeting thereafter took up agenda items for discussion.

 

Agenda Item No. 1:                  Confirmation of the minutes of the first meeting

 

3.         The minutes of the First meeting of the Commission held on 23rd March, 2000 were read and confirmed.

 

Agenda Item No. 2:                  Report of the Sub-committee constituted for identifying resource persons and institutions

 

Agenda Item No. 3:                  Preparation and finalisation of consultation papers and Questionnaires

 

4.         The meeting decided to take up Agenda items 2 and 3 together.  With regard to the report of the Sub-committee, in view of certain procedural formalities, the meeting decided that the Sub-committee may kindly meet afresh after lunch and finalise its recommendations.  It was also decided that the terms of reference of the Sub-committee be expanded so as to include the consideration as to which of the members, having regard to their expertise in specific areas, are to be associated with the work of Advisory Panels in an appropriate manner.  It was further decided that the Sub-committee may also make selection of experts or institutions for the preparation of consultation papers along with Questionnaires in an appropriate computer-friendly format which will enable the ledgerising and classification of the data collected in the responses to the questionnaires. It was also decided to request Shri C.R. Irani to be a member of the Sub-committee.   Agenda Item No. 2 was thereafter deferred and taken up later in the day after the Sub-committee finalised its recommendations.

 

4.1.             The report (copy at Annex II) finalized by the Sub-committee was placed before the Commission for its consideration.  The Sub-committee has proposed that the contents and subject matter of the eight topics be spread over into ten areas and for each area a Member of the Commission may function as “Member in charge”.  The Sub-committee has also suggested expert/Advisory Panels in respect of each of the ten areas.  The Sub-Committee has also recommended that the “Member in charge” may, in consultation with the Chairperson, nominate additional members to his panel. The “Member in charge” will, in consultation with the Chairperson, also identify research/resource institutions or persons to prepare the Consultation Paper.

 

4.2.       In respect of item No. 3, the Chairperson emphasized the importance and significance of Consultation Papers and Questionnaires and the need for extensive and authentic research back-up for their preparation.  The issue was discussed. The Commission reiterates the decision taken in the first meeting to tap the talent in the reputed research Institutions/experts for the preparation of Consultation Papers and Questionnaires. It was noted that the Institute of Social and Economic Change, Bangalore and some other institutions were doing impressive research work in their respective areas of specialization and that it would be useful to utilise the services of such institutions. The Chairperson mentioned that he had a wide-ranging discussions with the Institute of Social and Economic Change at Bangalore and had also addressed its faculty as to the scope and significance of the Commission’s work.  The Commission also proposed to have widest possible participation of various sections of Indian society in the work of the Commission.

 

 

Agenda Item No. 4 :                 Progress Report in setting up

of the Commission’s office

 

5.         Chairperson informed the Members regarding the progress made so far in setting up of the Commission’s office.  The Members were informed that vacant possession of the accommodation allotted to the Commission was obtained and expressed the hope that Commission’s office would be ready in a couple of weeks.

 

Agenda Item No. 5 :                 Procedure for inviting

suggestions from public.

 

6.                   The Commission discussed the mode of inviting suggestions from public. The earlier decision of the Commission to invite suggestions from the public though mentioned in the Press Note dated on 23rd March, 2000, had not received sufficient publicity.  It was, therefore, decided that an appropriate advertisement through electronic and print media be issued to invite public suggestions. Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap and Shri C.R. Irani were requested to prepare a draft of the proposed advertisement.  The advertisement, it was felt, should make it clear that the Commission does not propose to entertain any suggestion affecting the basic structure of the Constitution, parliamentary system of democracy and Rights of the minorities, Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Other Backward Classes under the Constitution.

 

Agenda Item No. 6 :                 Discussion of the further areas in respect of which working of the  Constitution needs examination.

 

7.                               Some further areas for consideration of the Commission were suggested by some members, but no decision was taken in this regard.

 

Agenda Item  No.7: Other subjects:

 

(i) CD Rom on Constitution and Amendments

 

8.         The meeting was informed that Legislative Department of the Ministry of Law, Justice and Company Affairs has brought out a CD Rom, which contains all constitutional amendments carried, so far, along with Statement of Objects and Reasons pertaining to the amendments.   This software was also capable of tracing any phrase or word used in the Constitution.  It was decided that every Member might be provided with a CD Rom.

 

(ii) Next meeting of the Commission.

 

9.         It was decided that the next meeting of the Commission shall be held on 16th May, 2000.

 

10.        The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

(Dr. Raghbir Singh)

Secretary to the Commission

To

All Members of the Commission

 

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS   OF THE SECOND  MEETING

 

1.       Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah  (In Chair)

2.       Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy  

3.       Justice Shri R.S. Sarkaria          

4.       Justice Dr. Kottapalli Punnayya

5.       Shri P.A. Sangma, M.P.   

6.       Shri Soli J. Sorabjee, Attorney General

  1. Shri K. Parasaran
  2. Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap
  3. Shri C.R. Irani, Editor in Ch. & MD., Statesman  
  4. Dr. Abid Hussain 
  5. Smt. Sumitra G. Kulkarni
  6. Dr. Raghbir Singh, Secretary

 

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MINUTES OF THE THIRD MEETING  HELD ON 8TH AND 9TH JULY, 2000

 

 

            The third meeting of the Commission was held in the Conference Room of the office of the Commission in Vigyan Bhavan Annexe at 10.00 AM on 8th and 9th July, 2000.  The meeting was chaired by Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah.  The list of the participants is at Annex-I.

 

2.         The Chairperson welcomed the Members and the meeting thereafter took up the agenda items for consideration.

 

Agenda Item No. 1: Confirmation of the minutes of    the second meeting

 

 

3.         The meeting took note of the advertisement of the Commission published in various newspapers and in view thereof, it felt that the last sentence in para 6 (Item No.5) of the minutes of the last meeting beginning from “The advertisement……” and ending with “under the Constitution” be omitted.  It further decided that at the end of para 7 (Agenda Item No. 6), the following sentence be added.

“The Commission would take into account the areas suggested by the Members while considering further areas, if any, that are required to be examined and considered by it.”

 

4.         Subject as aforesaid, the minutes of the second meeting of the Commission held on 22.4.2000 were taken as read and confirmed.

 

5.         In regard to the decision taken at the Commission’s second meeting for supply to each member of a CD Rom containing Constitutional amendments (para 8, Agenda Item No.7) the Secretary pointed out that, CD Rom presently available contained amendments enacted only upto the Constitution (Seventy ninth Amendment) Act and it was likely to take a few months for NIC to update it by including two subsequent amendments and that if Hon’ble Members so desired, the available CD Rom could be made available to them.  It was, decided that the available CD Rom with hard copies of subsequent amendments be made available to the each Member.

 

Agenda Item No. 2: Constitution of the ‘Projects  And Finance Committee’;

And

Agenda Item No. 6: Scale and limit of expenditure and guidelines for incurring expenditure on TA/DA to the Chairperson and Members of the Advisory Panels and on holding their meetings and payment of professional fees to Research Institutions/Experts           

 

6.         The  meeting  took  up  Agenda  Items  2  and  6  together.   They  were discussed.  It  was decided  that a Committee  called  “Projects  and  Finance Committee” be  constituted. The Committee was requested, to consider the following :

 

 

(i)                        Monitoring the quality assurance of the “Consultation Papers” and “Questionnaires” so as to ensure uniformity and eliminate possibilities of duplication or repetition resulting from the overlapping areas in the subjects or topics to which they relate.

 

(ii)                       Making suitable recommendations for the apportionment and allocation of consolidated  funds earmarked for the following :

 

(a)                 Consultation or professional fees for the preparation of the ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’;

(b)                 the expenses for the meetings of the Advisory Panels and on TA/DA of the Chairperson and Members of these panels;

(c)                 holding of seminars; and

(d)                 other related purposes; and to

 

(iii)           lay down broad guidelines and procedures for the passage of the ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ through the various stages.

 

7.         The meeting left it to the Chairperson to decide on the Members of the CommitteeY. The committee would evolve its own procedure in respect of holding its meetings and conduct of its business.

 

Agenda Item No. 3 :              Consideration of the requests for participation in or association with the work of the Commission

 

8.         The meeting noted that the requests received for participation in or association with the work of the  Commission  broadly fell into two categories – (i) the requests from the individuals; and (ii) requests from the institutions.  It was decided that all such persons and institutions be requested to send their considered views and suggestions to the Commission, informing them that their suggestions would be duly considered by the Commission at the appropriate time.

 

9.         The meeting, however, took note of the request of Indian Law Institute, New Delhi in this regard and decided to suitably associate it with the work of the Commission.  It left it to the Chairperson to decide on the area in which the services of the Institute could be so utilised.

 

Agenda Item No.4 :            Holding a meeting of the leading Journalists and NGOs to explore possibilities of their association with the work of the promotion of awareness of the Commission’s remit

 

10.        It was felt that there was a need to dispel misconceptions and apprehensions in certain sections of the society with regard to the nature of exercise being done by the Commission.  On the issue of associating leading journalists and NGOs etc. for promoting awareness of the Commission’s remit, the meeting, however, after taking note of the views of Shri C.R. Irani as expressed in his letter dated July 6, 2000 addressed to the Hon’ble  Chairperson  and  of Shri  Sangma who were of the view that the Commission may take note of possibility of counter productivity of such a step and after deliberating on its possible implications, came to a view that it would not be beneficial at this stage, to associate journalists or NGOs with any  awareness campaign.

 

11.        The meeting noted with satisfaction and appreciation that some of the members particularly Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap and Shri P.A. Sangma were already contributing towards creating public awareness about the true nature of the work of the Commission.  It felt that the Members of the Commission should themselves, by making use of the material already made public by the Commission through press notes etc., endeavour to dispel any misgivings or doubts in the  public mind  in regard to the work of the Commission, whenever they had  an opportunity to do so.  The Press notes and the advertisement of the Commission have, it was noted, already helped in dispelling some of the doubts and apprehensions in the minds of certain sections of the public.  It was felt that ultimately the work of the Commission should be allowed to speak for itself.  It was felt that the advertisement issued by the Commission inviting suggestions might also be published through the electronic media at the prime time in order to achieve greater public participation.

 

Agenda Item No. 5$:              Evolving a broad time frame for the various stages of the work of the Commission

 

12.        The meeting agreed with the suggestion of the Hon’ble Chairperson that there was a need to evolve a broad time frame for completion of the various stages of the work of the Commission and to make every endeavour to adhere to it.  Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap was requested in the meeting to evolve a time frame.  #The time frame evolved by Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap was considered and it was unanimously  accepted.  The time-frame, as accepted, is at Annex-III.  It was clarified that if any stage in respect of any topic/area was completed earlier to the last date specified for its completion, action for the next stage for that topic/area might be initiated immediately on completion of that stage itself.  The Hon’ble Chairperson also emphasised on the need of identifying at this stage itself the persons/bodies/institutions to whom ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ would have to be sent; the agencies that would print them; the number of copies that would be required etc.  as it would result in saving of time.

 

Agenda Item No.7:                Review of the progress in the    preparation of ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’

 

13.        The meeting considered the ‘status note’ indicating progress made so far in preparation of ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ in the areas initially identified by the Commission. .  It was noted that Institutes/Experts had already been identified for preparation of the ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ (in all but one area) and the work was in different stages of completion.  Initial drafts on topics for ‘Pace of Social and Economic Change in India’: ‘The Question of Poverty’, ‘Literacy, Employment and Social Security’ and ‘Enlargement of Fundamental Rights’ had already been received.  The initial drafts of the papers on other subjects were also expected to be received shortly. It was decided in the meeting that initial draft of the consultation paper would be scrutinised by the Member-in-Charge and the  Advisory  Panel  on  the  subject and after modifications and changes as may be considered necessary were incorporated and draft approved by the Advisory Panels, it would be placed before “The Projects and Finance Committee” of the Commission which would ensure uniformity in the quality of the papers and a holistic view of the issues dealt with in the papers.   Thereafter, it would be considered by the Commission.  However, after the ‘Projects and Finance Committee’ finalises the procedure, that procedure shall be followed.

 

Agenda Item No. 8$:                 Holding of regional seminars for discussing the ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ and public responses thereto and identification of the Institutions and Agencies to conduct seminars.

 

14.        It was decided that after the ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ had been prepared and circulated and the responses thereto obtained, the various issues raised in those papers should be discussed  in a series of  five regional seminars and finally at a national seminar at Delhi.  It was further decided to ensure participation of representatives of a wide cross-section of the society, viz. people’s representatives, Jurists, Journalists, Academicians, NGOs, Trade Union leaders, Panchayati Raj Institutions, Administrators, Industrialists, Leaders of Cooperative Movements etc. in these seminars.  #The Commission also decided to identify the NGOs/Institutions which would be entrusted with holding of seminars at this stage itself so that the organisers have sufficient time for ensuring meaningful and wide participation of different sections of the society.  Shri P.A. Sangma, Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap and Shri C.R. Irani were requested in the meeting to identify the nodal agency/institution or agencies/institution for conduct of these seminars. 

 

Agenda Item No. 9:                Consideration of a programme for interaction and consultation with the Political Parties, the National Commission for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes, the National Human Rights Commission, the National Commission for Minorities, the National Commission for Women.

 

15.        The Commission decided to interact at an appropriate time with the political parties, the National Commission for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes, the National Human Rights Commission, the National Commission for Minorities, the National Commission for Women etc.

 

Agenda# Item No.10:     Consideration of responses received so far, in response to recent advertisement of the Commission.

 

16.        The meeting noted the procedure that was being adopted by the Secretariat of the Commission in acknowledging the suggestions that were being received in response to the advertisement of the Commission.  It noted that till date over 1100 responses had been received and most of them had already been acknowledged. It was felt in the meeting that the work of summarising/ ledgerising of the responses, should also be simultaneously undertaken and completed early.

 

Agenda Item No. 11: Any other item

 

Next meeting of the Commission

 

17.        It was decided that the next meeting of the Commission might tentatively be fixed on 26th and 27th August, 2000.

 

18.        The meeting thereafter ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

(Dr. Raghbir Singh)

Secretary to the Commission

 

To

All  the Members of the Commission.

ANNEX I

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS OF THE THIRD MEETING

 

  1. Hon’ble Justice Shri  M.N. Venkatachaliah (In Chair)
  2. Hon’ble Justice Shri  B.P. Jeevan Reddy
  3. Hon’ble Justice Shri  R.S. Sarkaria
  4. Hon’ble Justice Shri Kottapalli Punnayya
  5. Shri P.A. Sangma
  6. Shri Soli J. Sorabjee
  7. Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap
  8. Shri C.R. Irani (attended meeting only on 9.7.2000)
  9. Smt. Sumitra G. Kulkarni
  10. Dr. Raghbir Singh, Secretary

ANNEX II

 

COMPOSITION OF THE ‘PROJECTS AND FINANCE COMMITTEE’

 

1.       Shri Soli J. Sorabjee - Convenor

2.       Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy

3.       Shri P. A. Sangma

4.       Dr. Abid Hussain

5.       Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap

[Constituted by the Hon’ble Chairperson in pursuance of the authority conferred on him by the Commission in its meeting held on 8th and 9th July, 2000]

 


ANNEX III

PROGRAMME OF WORK AND BROAD TIME-FRAME

 

SL.

NO.

 

           PROGRAMME

TIME-FRAME

REMARKS

1.

Preliminary Meetings; setting-up of Expert Panels on ten subject areas; nomination of Chairpersons and Members of the Panels

 

23-4.2000

      to      15.7.2000

 

2.

Identifying Resource Institutions/Persons for preparation of Consultation Papers and Questionnaires; setting the outlines of work and terms of remuneration/fees etc.

 

      23.4.2000

      to     20.7.2000

 

3.

Convening the Expert Panels for Consideration of the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires etc;

 

1.8.2000

     to     1.9.2000

 

4.

Consultation Papers and Questionnaires to be ready.

 

 

15.9.2000

     to    15.10.2000

 

5.

Processing of responses in regard to identifying additional areas, if any, for review and commission’s decision thereon and laying down schedule for preparing consultation papers, etc.

 

 1.6.2000

      to     30.8.2000

 

6.

Scrutiny and approval of the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires by the Commission

15.9.2000

     to        1.11.2000

 

 

7.

Consultation Papers and Questionnaires to be distributed and released to the public.

      By 15.11.2000

These are to be sent to all MPs, MLAs, Political Parties,Universities All India Service Officers’ Associa-tion, Trade Unions, Industrial and Commerce Associ-ations and Groups like FICCI, ASSOCHAM etc; Students’ Organi-sations, Bar Assoc-iations, Leading Lawyers, import-ant NGOs, Chair-persons and Mem-bers of all National Commissions, Judges of the Supreme Court and the High Courts, Speakers and for-mer Speakers of the Lok Sabha, Deputy Chairper-son of the Rajya Sabha, Speakers and former Speak-ers of State Assem-blies, Chief Minist-ers and former Chief Ministers, Governors and former Governors, former Prime Ministers, Chief Editors of major News-Papers, prominent Journal-ists, Educationa-lists and Academicians etc;.

 

8.

Responses to be received

      By

31.12.2000

 

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MINUTES OF THE FOURTH MEETING OF THE COMMISSION HELD ON 26TH AUGUST, 2000

 

 

            The fourth meeting of the Commission was held in the Conference Room of the office of the Commission in Vigyan Bhavan Annexe at 10.00 AM on the 26th August, 2000.  The meeting was chaired by Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah.  The list of the participants is at Annex – I.

 

2.         The Chairperson welcomed the Members and the meeting thereafter took up the agenda items for consideration.

 

            Agenda Item No. 1: Confirmation of the minutes of the third meeting.

 

3.         The minutes of the third meeting of the Commission held on 8th and 9th July, 2000 were read and confirmed.

Agenda Item No. 2: Consideration of the recommendations of the Projects and Finance Committee.

 

4.        The Secretary read out his report on the recommendations made by the Projects and Finance Committee, a copy of which is at Annex – II. There was a brief discussion on the report and thereafter the recommendations of the Committee contained in the Report were accepted.

 

Agenda Item No. 3: Review of the progress made in the preparation of         ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’.

 

 5.        The Chairperson explained the reasons why the preparation of ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ has been entrusted to the various Research Institutions of repute in the country and not to the Research Wing of the Commission.  It was felt that the copyright of the ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ prepared by the Institutes should vest in the Commission so that the Commission can make necessary modifications in the same before releasing it to the public. The meeting decided that the Member-in- Charge of the Advisory Panel may write to the Institute concerned and get a confirmation from it in writing about the copyright being vested in the Commission. Members explained the present status of the preparation of ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ relating to the subject under their charge.

 

Agenda Item No. 4: Requests for grant of extension of time for sending suggestions.

 

6.     The meeting was informed that requests had been received from certain State Governments, political parties, associations and individuals seeking extension of time for sending suggestions in response to the advertisement of the Commission inviting suggestions from public.  The Commission agreed that the suggestions received after 31st July, 2000, which was stipulated as the last date in the advertisement, may also be considered.

 

Agenda Item No. 5: Paper ‘Public Audit and the Comptroller and Auditor General of India – Reforming the Institution’ by Dr. B.P.Mathur.

 

7.         The meeting was informed that this paper had been prepared by Dr. B.P. Mathur, Director of the National Institute of Financial Management, Faridabad who is a retired Deputy Comptroller and Auditor General of India. Brief comments were made on the Paper by the Chairperson and certain Members.  Dr. Abid Hussain, who is the Member-in-Charge of the Advisory Panel to which the subject of the paper relates, suggested that it would be appropriate that this Paper is considered by the Advisory Panel so that its content and form could be looked into and suitably modified to make it more understandable by public.  The meeting agreed with the suggestion of Dr. Abid Hussain.

 

Agenda Item No. 6: Uniformity in the design of ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’.

 

8.         The Chairperson emphasized the need to have a uniformity in the design of ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’, which are being drafted by different Institutes. The meeting agreed that there has to be certain amount of uniformity in ‘Consultation Papers’ and ‘Questionnaires’ and the same have to be of a very high quality and presentable. It was decided that help of experts in the field may be taken for the purpose and the experts may be identified by the Projects and Finance Committee. The meeting agreed that that the format of the Questionnaires has to be computer friendly so that the responses to the same could be machine readable. It was also decided that the ‘Questionnaires’ may have to be accompanied with self addressed envelopes when these are sent to the individuals for response.

 

            Agenda Item No. 7: Any other item.

 

9.         Dr. Abid Hussain suggested that copies of important articles/news items published in the reputed magazines and newspapers relating to the subject matter concerning a member may be supplied to him by the Commission’s Secretariat.  The meeting agreed to this suggestion.

 

10.        There was some discussion on the issue ‘whether the Commission may hold discussions with senior political leaders, leading journalists and NGOs on certain important issues of national interest’. However, there was no final decision in this regard.

11.        The meeting thereafter ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

(Dr. Raghbir Singh)

Secretary to the Commission

 

 

To

            All the Members of the Commission

ANNEX-I

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS   OF THE FOURTH MEETING

 

1.       Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah  (In Chair)

2.       Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy        

3.       Justice Shri R.S. Sarkaria    

4.       Justice Dr. Kottapalli Punnayya

5.       Shri P.A. Sangma, M.P.   

6.       Shri Soli J. Sorabjee

7.       Shri K. Parasaran

8.       Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap

9.       Shri C.R. Irani  

10.   Dr. Abid Hussain 

11.   Dr. Raghbir Singh, Secretary

 

          ANNEX II

 

REPORT OF THE SECRETARY ON RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE PROJECTS AND  FINANCE COMMITTEE AND ACTION PROPOSED  THEREON

 

            The ‘Projects and Finance Committee’ of the Commission held its first meeting on 27.07.2000.    The Committee, inter-alia, has made the following recommendations:-

 

(i)                   Earmarking of the amounts specified below towards meeting expenses on finalization of consultation papers etc.:

 

(a)                  Rs.20 lakh to meet the expenses on preparation of consultation papers and questionnaires in all the ten areas identified by the Commission;

(b)                 Rs.13 lakh for meeting expenses on travel, etc. of the Chairperson and Members of all the ten Advisory Panels.

 

(ii)                 The ceiling on fee for final preparation of a paper and questionnaire on a topic be kept at Rs.1 lakh.  Cases involving payment of higher amounts would be considered by the Committee on merit.

 

(iii)                The fee payable is to be released to research institutions in three instalments as under:

 

(a)                 The first instalment of 25% of the total fee payable to be released when the institution was identified and asked to commence the work;

 

(b)                 The second instalment of 25% of the total fee payable to be released when the initial draft of the consultation paper and questionnaire were received from it;

 

(c)                 Balance 50% of the total fee payable to be released after the consultation paper and the questionnaire were finally approved.

 

2.         With regard to payments to be made to individual institutions for preparation of consultation papers and questionnaires, the following recommendations have been made by the Committee:

 

(i)                   Payment of Rs.1 lakh to the Centre for Policy Research for final preparation of each of the four consultation paper along with questionnaire, which that Centre had been asked to prepare.

 

(ii)                 Payment of Rs.1.5 lakh to the Institute of Constitutional and Parliamentary Studies for final preparation of the consultation paper and questionnaire on “Party System in India: An Agenda for Reforms”.

 

3.               Funds to the Centre for Policy Research and the Institute of Constitutional and Parliamentary Studies on the lines of the recommendations made by the Committee are proposed to be released after the Commission has accepted the recommendations of the Committee.  Funds to other institutions would be released in instalments as recommended by the Committee as soon as the fee payable to them was settled.

 

 

(Dr. Raghbir Singh)

        Secretary

      21.08.2000

 

 

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MINUTES OF THE FIFTH MEETING  HELD ON FRIDAY, THE 29TH DECEMBER, 2000

 

            The Fifth meeting of the Commission was held in the Conference Room of the Office of the Commission in Vigyan Bhawan Annexe, at 10.00 a.m. on 29th December, 2000.  The meeting was chaired by Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah.  The list of participants is at Annexure.

 

The Hon’ble Chairperson extended a warm welcome to the Members and requested the Secretary to take up the Agenda.

 

Item 1: Confirmation of the minutes of the fourth meeting

 

The minutes of the fourth meeting of the Commission held on 26th August, 2000 were taken as read and confirmed.

 

Item 2:     Consideration whether the Consultation Papers on “Review of Election  Law, Processes and Reform Options” and “Review of Working of the Political Parties specially in relation to Elections and Reform Options” which are presently for consideration before the Projects and Finance Committee could be taken up by the Commission itself as all the Members of the Projects and Finance Committee are Members of the Commission”.

 

The meeting discussed the two Consultation Papers in depth and thereafter authorized the Hon’ble Chairperson and the Member-in-charge, Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap to finalise the Papers in the light of the observations made by the members in the meeting.

 

Item 3:  Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Treaty-making Power under our Constitution”.

           

The discussion on this item began with the Hon’ble Chairperson explaining the various provisions of the Constitution on the subject and giving a brief background of the Consultation Paper.  Thereafter, the meeting discussed and approved the Consultation Paper and it was decided that a questionnaire should be prepared and attached to the Paper before its release for public debate.

 

Item 4:  Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Liability of the State in Tort and Sovereign Immunity”

           

  The Hon’ble Chairperson explained in brief the background of the Consultation Paper and pointed out that the provisions of the Paper are relatable to article 300 of the Constitution and may necessitate a suitable amendment to that Article in view of the developments that had taken place in the area over 50 years since the commencement of the Constitution.  The Paper was approved for release for public debate.  However, it was decided that an appropriate questionnaire should be prepared and appended to the Paper before it is released for public debate.

 

Item 5:  Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “All-India Judicial Service”

 

Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy explained the provisions of the Consultation Paper. Thereafter the paper was discussed in detail in the meeting and was approved subject, however, that an appropriate questionnaire be drafted and appended as part of the Consultation Paper before it is released for public debate.

 

Item 6:  Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Immunity of Legislators – What do the        words ‘In respect of anything said or any vote given by him’ in      article 105(2) signify?”

           

 

The meeting discussed this Consultation Paper in detail. The members emphasized that any proposed scheme of change of law should not impinge on the privileges and rights of the members of legislatures.  The meeting approved the paper subject to certain modifications on these lines.   It was also decided that an appropriate questionnaire be prepared and appended to the Consultation Paper before it is released for public debate.

 

Item 7:      Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Public Audit and the Comptroller and     Auditor General of India – Reforming the Institution

 

After discussing the Consultation Paper in detail, the meeting approved the same and decided to release it for public debate.

 

It was, however, made clear that in respect of all the five Consultation Papers at items 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, the views expressed or suggestions contained therein did not reflect the final views of the Commission but the Consultation Papers were meant for the sole purpose of generating a public debate and discussion.

 

 

Item 8:    Consideration of the progress made in regard to the Consultation Paper on “Pace of Socio-Economic Change under the Constitution”

           

 

The Hon’ble Chairperson explained the provisions of the draft Consultation Paper. The meeting then discussed the Paper in depth and approved the same in principle. It was noted that the Consultation Paper was presently being examined by the Expert Advisory Panel. The Consultation Paper could be released for public debate only after taking into consideration the views of the Expert Advisory Panel.

 

Item 9:   To reconsider the schedule of the work of the Commission and to review the progress so far made

           

The Commission made a comprehensive review of the progress of the work and took note of the notes on agenda prepared and circulated by the Secretary.

 

Dr. Abid Hussain informed the meeting that four Consultation Papers were being prepared in relation to the Advisory Panel under his charge and these papers would be finalized by the end of January, 2001.

 

Shri Soli J. Sorabjee informed that Consultation Paper on “Enlargement of Fundamental Rights” was under preparation and would be finalized soon.

 

 The meeting decided that preparation of the Consultation Paper on “Effectuation of Fundamental Duties” might be entrusted to the Citizenship Development Society, New Delhi,  after consultation with the Member-in-charge, Shri C.R. Irani.

 

Item 10:    Consideration of the Report of the Secretary on the meetings of  various   Advisory

Panels and Projects and Finance Committee

           

The Commission took note of and placed on record the Report of the Secretary.

 

Item 11:  Any other item:

           

The Hon’ble Chairperson informed the meeting that Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, Principal Scientific Advisor to the Government of India intends to interact with the members and the Chairperson of the Commission and was also desirous of making a presentation.  It was decided that the Chairperson could invite Dr. Abdul Kalam to meet with the  members of the Commission at the next meeting of the Commission.

 

            The Hon’ble Chairperson also informed the meeting that the members of the Minorities Commission intend to have a meeting with the Members of the Commission.  It was decided that a meeting with the Members of the Minorities Commission could be fixed to be held in the forenoon of 1st February, 2001.

 

The meeting was informed by the Hon’ble Chairperson that a number of representations relating to certain matters like the protection of the interests of the Sindhi Community; the inclusion of Maithili language in the Eighth Schedule; demands from the various Sections of Akalis; issues relating to Coorgis of Karnataka State; problems of the Denotified Tribes, etc. have been received and needed to be examined.

 

 The Commission was of the view that these representations may be allocated to Members who, after examining the matter and after such enquiry as they may consider proper, may formulate what, in their opinion, should be the view they should commend themselves to the Commission and place them before the full Commission.  The representations/petitions that need to be taken up are the following:

 

(i)                   Representation dated 25.8.2000 presented by Justice I.S. Israni on behalf of Sindhi Rights Committee;

(ii)                 Representation dated 20.4.2000 received from Shri K.T. Rohra on behalf of the International Sindhi Forum;

(iii)                Representation dated 13.7.2000 received from Shri Ram Tolani on behalf of Sindhu Bhartiya Samata Sangathan;

(iv)                Representation dated 26.5.2000 received from Shri J.T. Wadhwani on behalf of Bhartiya Sindhu Sabha;

(v)                  Representation received from Dr. Nanakram Israni, President, All India Sindhi Samaj;

(vi)                Representation dated 31.7.2000 received from Ms. Mahashweta Devi, on behalf of De-Notified and Nomadic Tribals Rights Action Group;

(vii)               Representation dated 4.10.2000 received from Shri Tarakanth Jha on behalf of Mithilanchal Vikas Manch for inclusion of Maithili in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution;

(viii)             Representation dated 25.7.2000 submitted by Shri Teja Singh on behalf of Sardar Kapur Singh Memorial Trust;

(ix)               Memorandum submitted by Shri Prakash Singh Badal, CM of Punjab, on behalf of Shiromani Akali Dal;

(x)                 Representation dated 25.9.2000 received from Maj. General Narindar Singh on behalf of the Institute of Sikh Studies;

(xi)               Memorandum dated 31.7.2000 submitted by Shri Gurcharan Singh Tohra, MP, on behalf of Sarb Hind Shiromani Akali Dal;

(xii)              Memorandum submitted on 21.11.2000 by Shri N.U. Nachhappa on behalf of the Coorg National Council;

(xiii)            Representation dated 28.12.2000 received from Shri N.S. Deviprasad on behalf of Kodagu Prajavedike (about Coorgis);

(xiv)             Memorandum submitted on 13.10.2000 by the Chairman, UPSC;

(xv)              Note dated 21.12.2000 received from the Registrar on behalf of the Central Administrative Tribunal, New Delhi;

(xvi)             Representation dated 4.9.2000 submitted by Shri Ramvao Longkham on behalf of the Sixth Schedule Demand Committee, Manipur.

(xvii)           Representation dated 17th April, 2000, received from Dr. Mumtaz Ahmed Khan, Chairman, All India Muslim Educational Co-ordination Committee;

(xviii)          Representation dated  23.6.2000 received from Dr.  M. Ejaz Ali, National Convenor, All India Backward Muslim Morcha.

 

The Hon’ble Chairperson informed that a Delhi based organization known as ‘People First, instituting good governance’ wants to have interaction with the Commission.  It was decided that a meeting with them might be fixed according to mutual convenience.

 

The meeting decided that the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires on the subjects mentioned at item numbers 2 to 7 should be released on 8th January, 2001 both in paper print and on the website of the Commission for generating public debate and discussion.

 

It was decided to hold the next meeting of the Commission on 31st January, 2001 at 2.30 p.m., and on the subsequent day/days depending on the exigencies of work.

 

The meeting thereafter ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

(Raghbir Singh)

Secretary to the Commission

To

All the Members of the Commission.

ANNEXURE

 

LIST OF THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE FIFTH MEETING

 

           

1.                   Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah (In Chair)

2.                   Hon’ble Justice R.S. Sarkaria

3.                   Hon’ble Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy

4.                   Hon’ble Justice Shri Kottapalli Punnayya

5.                   Shri Soli J. Sorabjee

6.                   Shri K. Parasaran

7.                   Dr. Abid Hussain

8.                   Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap

9.                   Smt. Sumitra G. Kulkarni

10.               Dr. Raghbir Singh, Secretary

 

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MINUTES OF THE SIXTH MEETING OF THE COMMISSION HELD ON WEDNESDAY,  THE 31st JANUARY, 2001

 

 

 

            The sixth meeting of the Commission was held in the Conference Room of the Office of the Commission in Vigyan Bhawan Annexe, at 2.30 p.m. on 31st January, 2001.  The meeting was chaired by Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah.  The list of participants is at Annexure.

 

2.         The Hon’ble Chairperson extended a warm welcome to the Members and requested the Secretary to take up the Agenda.

 

Item 1:  Confirmation of the Minutes of the Fifth Meeting

 

3.         The Minutes of the Fifth Meeting were taken as read and confirmed subject to the modification of the Minutes under item No. 6.  Modified version of the confirmed minutes is as under:

 

Item 6:  Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Immunity of Legislators – What do the words ‘in respect of anything said or any vote given by him’ in article 105(2) signify?”.

 

            The meeting discussed this Consultation Paper in detail.  The meeting approved for circulation the paper subject to certain modifications.  It was also decided that an appropriate questionnaire be prepared and appended to the Consultation Paper before it is released for public debate.”

 

Item No. 2:  Consideration of the progress made in finalization of the Consulta-

                      tion Papers.

 

4.         The Commission made a comprehensive review of the progress in regard to the finalization of the following Consultation Papers:

 

i)                     Pace of Socio-economic Change under the Constitution.

ii)                   Parliamentary Reforms.

iii)                  Article 356 of the Constitution.

iv)                  Institution of Governor under the Constitution.

v)                    Remedies for Misfeasance in Public Office.

vi)                  Constitutional Response to Good Governance and Macro-economic Management.

vii)                 Legal Control of Monetary and Fiscal Policy.

 

5.         It was noted that the Consultation Paper at Sl. No. (i) was discussed in detail in the meeting of the Advisory Panel held on 30th January, 2001 under the Chairpersonship of  Justice Dr. K. Ramaswamy and  that the Advisory Panel is likely to finalize the Consultation Paper in its next meeting to be held during the third week of February, 2001.

 

6.         The meeting was informed that the Consultation Papers at Sl. Nos. (ii) to (v) above were at advanced stages of scrutiny and would be finalized very soon.

 

7.         The meeting was informed that draft Consultation Paper in respect of topic at Sl. No. (vi)  had been received from Shri N.L. Mitra, former Director, National Law School of India, Bangalore, and would be placed before the Advisory Panel.

 

8.         In respect of the Consultation Paper at Sl. No. (vii), the Commission was informed that the initial draft had been received and the final draft would be forwarded by the Chairperson of the Advisory Panel very soon.

 

 

Item 3:        Review of the progress of preparation of other Consultation Papers         

                           and Questionnaires.

 

9.         Secretary made a presentation about the progress in respect of other Consultation Papers and Questionnaires.  The meeting was informed that the Consultation Paper & Questionnaire on ‘Municipalities’ was being prepared by the All India Institute of Local Self Government (Nagarpalika Network), New Delhi, and the Institute had informed on 29th January,2001 that the draft would be submitted to the Advisory Panel within a few days.

 

10.       The Consultation Paper & Questionnaire on ‘Panchayats’ was being prepared by the Institute of Social Sciences, New Delhi.  The Institute has informed on 30th January, 2001 that the draft would be sent by 15th February, 2001. 

 

11.          The Commission was also informed that the Consultation Paper and Questionnaire on “Enlargement of Fundamental Rights” would be finalized by the Advisory Panel within three weeks.  Regarding the Consultation Paper and Questionnaire on “Effectuation of Fundamental Duties”, the meeting was informed that a communication had been received on 31.1.2001 from the Citizenship Development Society, indicating their willingness to undertake the assignment.  The question of entrustment of preparation of the Consultation Paper & Questionnaire to the Society and the consultation fee to be fixed, etc., would be discussed and finalized very soon. The meeting was also informed that Shri Shiv Visvanathan of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi, who has been asked to prepare the Consultation Paper and Questionnaire on “Effectuation of Directive Principles and Achievement of Preambular Objectives of the Constitution”, met the Member-in-charge of the Advisory Panel and the Chairperson of the Commission on 31.1.2001 and has promised to send the draft of the Paper within six weeks.  The Projects and Finance Committee will be requested to take-up the question of the quantum of the consultation fee.

 

Items 4 & 5:       Consideration of the request of the Minorities Council, Aligarh

dated 16th January, 2001 requesting for interaction with the

Commission and representation dated 13th January, 2001, from  Smt. Bader Sayeed, Advocate, Chennai.

 

12.        The Meeting took up item Nos. 4 and 5 together.  It was decided that a list of all the prominent organizations which had submitted representations for interaction with the Commission  be compiled and submitted before the Commission so that a decision could be taken thereon.

 

Item 6:             Any other item

 

           

13.        With the permission of the Hon’ble Chairperson the following Papers were circulated during the meeting :

(i)                     ‘Peoples’ Awareness of the Indian Constitution and the Review Process’ received  from the Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative, New Delhi and

(ii)                   ‘Working of Parliament and Need for Reforms’ submitted by Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap .

 

The Secretary was requested to forward item (ii) above to Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan who is finalizing the Consultation Paper on ‘Working of the Legislatures’.

 

14.        The meeting agreed to the suggestion that Hindi version of the Summary of Consultation Papers may also be made available for making the public debate/ discussion more meaningful.

15.        The Office was asked to tabulate the responses and suggestions received from the public in response to the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires and circulate the same amongst Members.

 

16.        It was decided that the next meeting shall be held in the last week of February, 2001.  The Hon’ble Chairperson was authorized to decide about the exact date of the meeting of the Commission.

 

The meeting thereafter ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

 

(Raghbir Singh)

Secretary

To

 

            All the Members of the Commission

ANNEXURE

 

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS OF THE SIXTH MEETING

 

1.       Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah (In Chair)         

  1. Hon’ble Justice Shri  B.P. Jeevan Reddy
  2. Hon’ble Justice Shri  R.S. Sarkaria

4.       Hon’ble Justice Shri Kottapalli Punnayya

5.       Shri Soli J. Sorabjee

6.       Shri K. Parasaran

  1. Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap
  2. Shri C.R. Irani
  3. Dr. Abid Hussain
  4. Smt. Sumitra G. Kulkarni

 

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MINUTES OF THE SEVENTH MEETING OF THE COMMISSION HELD ON   THE 31ST MARCH AND 1ST APRIL, 2001

 

 

            The seventh meeting of the Commission was held in the Conference Room of the Commission in Vigyan Bhawan Annexe, at 10 a.m. on 31st March and 1st April, 2001.  The meeting was chaired by Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah.  The list of participants is at Annexure.

 

2.         The Hon’ble Chairperson extended a warm welcome to the Members and requested the Secretary to take up the Agenda.

 

Item 1:   Confirmation of the Minutes of the Sixth  Meeting

 

3.      The Minutes of the Sixth Meeting were taken as read and confirmed. 

 

 

Item 2:       Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Pace of Socio- Economic Change under the Constitution”.

 

4.         The Commission was informed that the Advisory Panel had thoroughly considered the Consultation Paper in the two meetings held on 16.2.2001 and 29.3.2001 and had approved it in principle; however some editorial modifications and some elaborations were still to be carried out. All the Members endorsed that it was a good Paper. Some of the Members expressed their views on the Paper. It was generally felt that the box at the bottom of the title page of the Paper needed slight modification and the words “are not the final views of the Commission but” need to be deleted and thereafter the contents of the said box should read “The views expressed and suggestions contained in this Paper are intended for the sole purpose of generating a public debate and eliciting public responses.” The meeting agreed that the Secretariat of the Commission would carry out the necessary modifications consequent to the deliberations of the Advisory Panel and then circulate the Paper to all the Members of the Commission for their comments/suggestions, who may convey them to the Secretary within a period of 15 days.  These suggestions would be suitably incorporated in the Paper before the Hon’ble Chairperson finally approved it for being released for public debate and eliciting public responses. Subject as aforesaid, the Consultation Paper was approved for release.

 

Item 3:       Consideration of the Consultation Paper on  “The Institution of Governor under the Constitution and Article 356 of the Constitution”;    

 

 

5.         This Paper was discussed at the meeting and it was generally agreed that it was well drafted.  However, a few Members informed that they had not been able to study the Paper in detail.  The meeting, therefore, agreed that the Members may submit their comments/suggestions, if any, on the Paper to the Secretary within a period of 15 days. These would be incorporated in the paper. Subject to this procedure, the Consultation Paper was approved for  release.

 

Item  4:  Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Enlargement of Fundamental Rights”  

 

 

6.        The meeting was informed that this Paper had been approved by the Advisory Panel in its meeting held on 16.2.2001. The salient features of the Paper were explained and it was pointed out that the majority of the rights contained in the Paper were deducible from or merely emanations of the judgments of the Supreme Court of India and some of them had already been found in the international covenants, to which India was a signatory.  The meeting discussed the Paper in detail.  A note containing some comments on this Paper was circulated at the meeting.  The meeting agreed that any Member desirous of submitting his  comments/suggestions on the Paper might send the same to the Secretary within a period of 15 days so that it could be suitably incorporated in the Paper before the Hon’ble Chairperson finally approved it for being released for public debate and eliciting public responses. Subject as aforesaid, the Consultation Paper was approved.

                                   

Item  5:   Consideration of the progress made in regard to finalization of the Consultation Papers on (i) Parliamentary Reforms and (ii) Local Self-Government: Municipalities 

 

           

7.         Parliamentary Reforms:   The meeting was informed that two drafts – one prepared by Centre for Policy Research (Shri A. Surya Prakash) and second prepared by Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan, of Lok Satta, who is also a Member of the Advisory Panel have been received. The Hon’ble Chairperson felt that both the drafts fell short of the requirements as Consultation Papers which touched certain imperatives that made the parliamentary system in India meaningful.  It was also felt that the Papers overlapped the Consultation Papers on Electoral Reforms.  The meeting decided to request the Secretary of the Commission to have the fresh Consultation Paper drafted by 22nd April, 2001 and place the same before the Commission.

 

8.        Decentralisation And Devolution : Consultation Paper onLocal Self-Government: Municipalities”:  The meeting was informed that the draft Paper prepared by the Nagarpalika Network of the “All India Institute of Local Self Government” was discussed in the meeting of the concerned Advisory Panel held on 22.3.2001, when in addition to the Members of the Advisory Panel, Shri George Mathew, Director  of the Institute of Social Sciences which was entrusted with the work of preparation of the Consultation Paper on ‘Panchayats’, was also present as a special invitee.   The Advisory   Panel proposed to merge the papers on ‘Local Self-Government: Municipalities’ and  ‘Panchayats’ and trifurcate the same into three papers, namely, first relating to the election aspects, the second relating to functional domain and      the third relating to the planning aspects of Panchayats and Municipalities.  However, the Secretary explained that  at the instance of the Advisory Panel, all State Governments have been requested to intimate the present status of implementation of the 73rd and 74th Amendments of the Constitution, for the purpose of preparation of the Consultation Papers.  The Chief Secretaries of the States in the North-East have also been addressed separately asking for the information about the working of the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution and the Panchayats (Extension to the Scheduled Areas) Act, 1996.  In both the above said communications, the States have been requested to furnish the information by 30th April, 2001. It was also explained that unless replies were received from the State Governments, the Advisory Panel may not be able to finalise the draft of the Consultation Paper. The meeting agreed that it may not be possible to wait for the responses from all the State Governments beyond a period of time and the Advisory Panel should finalise the Consultation Paper at the earliest so that the same was available to the Commission by 15th May, 2001.  It was decided that the Commission endorsed the idea of three papers instead of two as originally planned, provided that it had no additional financial implications and the drafts of all the papers were available to the Commission by 15th May, 2001. 

 

 

Item 6: Review of the progress of preparation of other Consultation Papers and Questionnaires; total number of Consultation Papers to be finalized and approved:

 

 

9.         The Secretary submitted a statement indicating the present status of  all the Consultation Papers.  The meeting took on record the statement and discussed in detail the progress regarding drafting of each of the Consultation Papers. 

 

10.        Regarding the Consultation Paper on ‘Literacy; Employment and Social Security’, the meeting was informed that the draft from the Institute for Social and Economic Change fell short of the requirements.  Later Dr. N. C. Saxena, Secretary, Planning Commission, and member of the concerned Advisory Panel gave some inputs.  The meeting emphasized that immediate steps need to be taken by the Member-in-Charge to ensure that the Consultation Paper was finally ready by 15th May, 2001. 

 

11.        The meeting considered the six proposed Consultation Papers under the subject ‘Union-State Relations’. The topic was redesignated “Union- State Relations under the Constitution : Working of the Federal Text”.  After a brief discussion, it was agreed that there was no need to have a separate Consultation Paper on the topic ‘Sarkaria Commission: 15 Years on’. The meeting noted that it had already considered the Consultation Paper on the ‘Institution of Governor Under the Constitution and Article 356 of the Constitution’.  The meeting agreed that there was need to finalise the other Consultation Papers latest by 15th May, 2001.

           

12.        The meeting was informed that the Citizenship Development Society, New Delhi, had entrusted the work of drafting the Consultation Paper on ‘Effectuation of Fundamental Duties’ to a team headed by Shri P.P. Rao and Justice Shri Shiv Dayal.  The draft, it was mentioned, was likely to be finalized within about a week.  The Advisory Panel would be able to meet thereafter and finalise the Consultation Paper by the end of April, 2001.

 

13.        Regarding the Consultation Paper on ‘Effectuation of Directive Principles’, the meeting was informed that Shri Shiv Visvanathan of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies had promised to send the draft by 31.3.2001.  The meeting agreed that Shri Visvanathan might be requested to finalise the draft soon so that the Advisory Panel could meet and discuss it.

 

14.        The progress in the preparation of other Consultation Papers and Questionnaires was also considered by the Commission.

 

Item 7:       Consideration of the pattern of release of the report of the Commission - whether it may be released in instalments – topic wise:

 

                   

15.        There was a detailed discussion on the subject and different views were expressed.  The meeting  came to the conclusion that  even though the report had to be in several parts and finalized topic-wise in stages, these might all be released together at the final stage.

 

Item 8: Consideration of the requests of prominent organizations for interaction with the Commission:

          

 

16.        A list of all the prominent organizations, who have made requests for interaction with the Commission was circulated to all the Members.  The Hon’ble Chairperson referred to his proceedings dated 3.1.2001 whereby he had allocated some petitions/representations to the Members/groups of Members for their consideration and suggesting a course of action to be taken by the Commission thereon.  He suggested that the representations from the various organizations could similarly be assigned by the Chairperson to the Members/group of Members for considering the requests and recommending the course of action thereon.  The meeting endorsed the suggestion.

                 

Item 9:       Consideration of the request from Justice Shri M.C. Jain, Lokayukta, Rajasthan, for conferment of constitutional status on the Institution of Lokayuktas and Upa-Lokayuktas.

 

1.              The meeting agreed that the issue of conferment of constitutional status on the Institution of Lokayuktas and Upa-Lokayuktas  was a larger issue and the Commission would take it up at the appropriate time.  It was decided that the papers received in this regard may be forwarded to the Member-in-charge of the Advisory Panel I.   

 

Item10:   Presentation by Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, Principal Scientific Advisor to the 

  Government of India:

 

                 

18.        Dr. A.P. J. Abdul Kalam made a presentation on the India Millennium Missions 2020 at 11.30 hours on 31.3.2001.  After the presentation, Dr. Kalam also had a brief discussion on the points raised by the Members. 

 

Item 11:      General discussion on the broad objectives and purposes of the review of the working of the Constitution so as to integrate the exercise with the vision of new India of future:

 

19.        There was a general discussion.  The Members expressed their views indicating the vision, objectives and purposes of the Constitution which the founding fathers had envisaged and how far these aims and objectives had been achieved in the working of the Constitution during the last 50 years.  The meeting also discussed the reasons which were responsible for non-achievement of the aims of the founding fathers – whether these were institutional inadequacies or the persons manning the institutions had not come up to the expectations.  The Members were requested to send in writing, their views as this important aspect of the vision and objectives of the review of the Constitution’s working so that they could be had in mind while drafting the report.

 

Item 12:      Report of Secretary about the responses to the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires, received so far from the State Governments/Political Parties, etc.

 

20.        The Report submitted by Secretary on the item was taken on record.     The meeting desired that all the responses received in the Commission may be ledgerised and summarized  for circulation amongst  the Members by the 15th April, 2001. 

 

Item 13:      Any other item, with the permission of the Chair.

 

 

(i)                   With the permission of the Chair, the Secretary raised the issue of payment of professional fee for preparation of the Consultation Paper on ‘Decentralization in the Tribal Context’.  The meeting was informed that, with the approval of the Projects and Finance Committee, it was decided to pay a fee of Rs. 50,000/- to the North-East Hill University (NEHU) for this Paper.   Prof. Apurva K. Baruah, Deptt. Of Political Science, NEHU was to prepare the Paper and a sanction order was accordingly issued by the Commission in favour of NEHU.  The meeting was informed that the Chairperson of the Advisory Panel had recommended that the sanction order may be modified and made in favour of “North-East Indian Social Science Congress (NEISSCONG)” which is presided over by Prof. Mrinal Miri, Vice Chancellor, NEHU,  Prof. Baruah being its General Secretary.  The meeting approved the proposal as the Member-in-charge of the Advisory Panel had endorsed it.

 

(ii)                With the permission of the Chair, the meeting discussed the question of prescribing time limit for all the Advisory Panels/institutions/experts to finalise the Consultation Papers so that the Commission was able to consider the same and complete its task within time.    The Meeting decided that letters of request may be sent to the Members-in-charge, Chairpersons of the Advisory Panels, resource-institutions/experts to the effect that the Consultation Papers should be made available to the Commission latest by the 15th May, 2001 as else it might not be possible for the Commission to keep-up its time-schedule.

 

(iii)              The meeting nominated the Secretary as the Member-Secretary of all the Advisory Panels, in order to facilitate quick finalisation of the Consultation Papers.

 

(iv)               The meeting also considered the question of drafting of the topic wise draft paragraphs of the Report on the Consultation Papers based on the responses received so far thereon.  It was emphasized that this work had to be commenced in right earnest so that the draft Report was available by 15th September, 2001 for the detailed scrutiny of the Commission.  The Secretary was requested to work out a frame work as regards the classification of topics to be covered by the parts of the final report.

 

The meeting thereafter ended with vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

(RAGHBIR SINGH)

Secretary

 

To

 

All Members of the Commission

ANNEXURE

 

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS OF THE SEVENTH MEETING

 

 

1.       Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah (In Chair)         

  1. Hon’ble Justice Shri  R.S. Sarkaria  (Present only on 31.3.2001)

3.       Hon’ble Justice Shri Kottapalli Punnayya

4.       Shri Soli J. Sorabjee

  1. Shri K. Parasaran (Present only on 31.3.2001)
  2. Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap
  3. Dr. Abid Hussain  (Present only on 31.3.2001)
  4. Smt. Sumitra G. Kulkarni
  5. Dr. Raghbir Singh, Secretary

 

 

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MINUTES OF THE EIGHTH MEETING OF THE COMMISSION HELD ON  THE 8TH AND 9TH JUNE 2001

 

 

            The Eighth meeting of the Commission was held in the Conference Room of the Commission in Vigyan Bhawan Annexe, at 10.00 a.m. on 8th and 9th June, 2001.  The meeting was chaired by Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah.  The list of participants is at Annexure.

2.         The Hon’ble Chairperson extended a warm welcome to the Members and requested the Secretary to take up the Agenda.

 

Item: 1.  Confirmation of the minutes of the seventh meeting of   the Commission held on 31st March, 2001 and 1st April, 2001

 

3.         Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap pointed out that in the Seventh Meeting, while considering item No. 5 of the Agenda relating to the progress made in regard to the finalization of the Consultation Paper on ‘Parliamentary Reforms’, it had been decided that the Paper submitted by him on the subject in the 6th meeting on 31.1.2001, should also be taken into consideration while redrafting the Consultation Paper on ‘Parliamentary Reforms’.  This fact had not been brought out in the Minutes. 

4.         Accordingly, it was decided that paragraph 7 of the aforesaid Minutes shall be treated as modified and the following sentence shall be deemed to have been incorporated in the minutes: -

    

“While getting the fresh consultation paper drafted, the Paper submitted by Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap on the subject, which was circulated during the 6th meeting of the Commission on 31.1.2001, shall also be taken into account”.

 

Subject to the above, the Minutes of the seventh meeting of the Commission were taken as read and confirmed.

 

Item 2:  Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Probity in Governance”

 

 

  5.         Before the Consultation Paper was taken up for consideration, Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap made a point that there should, as far as possible,  be uniformity in the format of the Consultation Papers. He pointed out that a few Consultation Papers released earlier had provided for the acknowledgements in the preface and in some of the others, a reference was made to the composition of the Advisory Panel also. 

 6.        The meeting decided that the Consultation Papers should have uniformity and should mention the names of the Members of the Advisory Panel and the name of its author, in case the same had not been prepared in-house.  The meeting then took up the Consultation Paper on “Probity in Governance” and approved the same in principle.  It was also decided that an appropriate Questionnaire might also be prepared and annexed to the Consultation Paper.

 

7          However, minor editorial modifications and formatting of the Consultation Paper may be carried out before the Chairperson finally approved it for being released for public debate and eliciting public responses.  Shri Soli J. Sorabjee and Shri K. Parasaran were also requested to discuss some policy issues arising out of the paper before sending it to the Chairperson.

 

Item 3:  Consideration of the Consultation Paper on “Effectuation of Fundamental Duties”

 

8.         The Secretary informed that the Consultation Paper had been discussed thoroughly in the meeting of the Advisory Panel held on 15.5.2001.  The meeting

considered the Paper in detail.  It was decided that the paragraph 3.3.8 of the Paper needed to be modified by deleting the sub-Para thereunder mentioning the difference of opinion on whether the contribution of the Citizenship Development Society, New Delhi to the cause of Citizenship Development should be included in the Paper or not.  The Meeting was of the view that the said aspect need not be included in the Consultation Paper and this was endorsed by Shri Irani, Member-in-Charge.

 

9.         The meeting considered paragraph 3.5.1 of the Consultation Paper regarding the suggestions received for amendment of the Constitution to ensure full implementation of the Fundamental Duties and decided that the three suggestions should be re-worded as under:-

 

(i)                   The opening words of article 51A should be reworded as follows:

“Every citizen of India shall implement in daily life the following duties”

(ii)                 Article 51A should be shifted to Part II (Citizenship) of the Constitution;

(iii)                Suitable Changes may be carried out to make Fundamental Duties to form a compendium with Fundamental Rights.

 

10.        Subject to the above, the meeting approved the Consultation Paper and Questionnaire in principle.  However, minor editorial modifications and formatting of the Consultation Paper were allowed to be carried out before the Chairperson finally approved it for being released for public debate and eliciting public responses.

 

Item 4:  Consideration of the Progress made in regard to the four Consultation Papers

 

            Appointments to the Superior Judiciary

 

11.        The meeting was informed that Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy had prepared the initial draft.  The meeting decided that no separate Consultation

Papers were needed to be prepared on the topics of judicial delays and judicial reforms but the final report may have a separate chapter containing all aspects of judicial reforms.

 

            Parliamentary Reforms

 

12.        The meeting was informed that Prof. Aswini K. Ray of the Department of Political Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University, had undertaken the work on this Paper.

           

Effectuation of Directive Principles

 

13.        It was noted that the draft Consultation Paper on the topic received from   the Centre for Developing Societies, New Delhi, was not up to the expectations of the Commission.  The meeting decided that in view of the time constraints, it would not be advisable to undertake a redrafting of the Paper.  Therefore, the meeting decided not to take any further action on the said Paper. 

 

14.        The meeting noticed that many elements of the Directive Principles had already been covered in the Consultation Paper on ‘Pace of Socio-Economic Change under the Constitution’, which was released for generating public debate and eliciting public response by the Commission 11.5.2001.  The meeting, therefore, decided that while drafting the final Report, all the elements of the Directive Principles might be taken into consideration. 

 

15.        Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy was requested to draft the said report and for the purpose he could take the required assistance from Justice Shri M. Jagannadha Rao, Vice-Chairman of the Law Commission who is also a Member of the Advisory Panel on “Enlargement of Fundamental Rights”, and of Shri Raju Ramachandran, Member of the Advisory Panel on “Effectuation of Directive Principles”.

 

16.        As Smt. Sumitra G. Kulkarni, Member-in-charge of this subject could not attend the meeting, it was decided that before action on the above lines is initiated, her consent be obtained.

 

Constitutional Mechanisms for the Settlement of Inter-State Disputes

 

17.        The meeting discussed the Consultation Paper in detail.  It was noticed that article 139A of the Constitution of India provided, inter alia, for transfer of cases to the Supreme Court if the cases involving same or substantially the same question of law are pending before two or more High Courts.  The meeting decided that the Consultation Paper should contain an alternative suggestion that if a case challenging a central legislation on grounds of lack of legislative competence was pending even before a single High Court, there should be a provision for withdrawal of the case to the Supreme Court, as such an issue would bear upon the larger question of distribution of legislative powers between the Union and the States.

 

18.        Subject to the above, the meeting approved the Consultation Paper in principle. However, minor editorial modifications and formatting of the Consultation Paper were allowed to be carried out including a reference to the nature of issues arising in cases under Article 131 now pending before the Supreme Court before the Chairperson finally approved it for being released for public debate and eliciting public responses.

 

 

Item 5:             Review of the progress of preparation of other Consultation Papers and Questionnaires

 

19.        The statement indicating the status of the progress made in each Consultation Paper, submitted by the Secretary, was taken on record.

20.        The meeting took notice of delay in the finalisation of the Consultation Papers on the topics relating to the Advisory Panel on Legal Control of Fiscal and Monetary Policies.  It was decided that draft final reports might be prepared on the following three topics: -

 

(i)                   Legal Control of Monetary and Fiscal Policy;

(ii)                 Standards in Public Life: For a corruption free governance;

(iii)                Reforms in Administrative System.

 

For the purpose, the Member-in-charge (Dr. Abid Hussain) will hold a meeting on 12.6.2001 with the various experts including Dr. E.A.S. Sarma, on the subject.

 

21.        The meeting noticed the discussions held by Dr. K.V. Raman, Director, P.V. Rao Centre for Sustainable Food Security, Chennai, with the Hon’ble Chairperson and Shri K. Parasaran on 23.5.2001 at Bangalore.  It was decided to request Dr. Raman to prepare draft final reports on the two topics, namely, ‘Literacy’ and ‘Social Security’.  The meeting also decided to pay an amount of Rs. 60,000/- to Dr. Raman for preparation of each draft report, as suggested by the Secretary pursuant to discussions had with Dr. Raman.

 

Item 6:          Report of Secretary about the responses to the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires, received so far from the Central/State Governments/Political Parties, etc.

 

22.        The Report submitted by Secretary on the item was taken on record.

 

Item 7:  Holding of Seminars on the Consultation Papers

 

23.        The meeting noticed that a Committee of Shri P.A. Sangma, Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap and Shri C.R. Irani, constituted by the Commission in its third meeting held on 8th and 9th July, 2000, had suggested the names of the IIPA, New Delhi, and the ICPS, New Delhi, for holding of the Seminars. 

 

24.        In view of the fresh offers and the discussions held by the various representatives of National Law Schools and Central Universities, etc., the meeting decided that the following ten institutions may organize seminars and provide the necessary feed back to the Commission:

 

1.       National Law School of India University, Bangalore

2.       West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences, Kolkatta

3.       National Law School of India University, Bhopal

4.       National Law School of India University, Hyderabad

5.       Centre for Political Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi

6.       Mangalore University, Mangalore

7.       Central Law College, Salem

8.       Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar

9.       North East Hill University, Shillong

10.   Banaras Hindu University, Varanasi

 

25.        The meeting agreed that the Commission’s contribution towards each seminar would be Rs. 40,000/-.  The institution itself will incur the rest of the expenditure for organizing the seminar.  The seminars will be in the form of ‘informed public debates’ i.e., public will also be involved in controlled conditions to have public interactive sessions for discussing the various consultation papers released and the subjects identified by the Commission.  The meeting also decided that major emphasis should be laid in the seminars on Electoral, Judicial, and Parliamentary Reforms, being the subjects, which are of larger public interest   It was also decided to suggest to the Universities that emphasis should also be on public interaction and the events should be made in the nature of public inter-active sessions or informed public debates.

 

26.        The meeting also noticed that out of the ten institutions mentioned above, four had already agreed and had been requested to proceed with the arrangements for the seminars in the month of July, 2001 and the necessary financial sanctions had also been issued.

 

Item 8:  Consideration of the Format for the Final Reports

 

27.        The draft format for the Final Reports was placed before the Meeting.  After considering the same, the meeting decided to constitute a committee consisting of Shri K. Parasaran, Dr. Abid Hussain, and Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap to look into it and suggest the final format for consideration of the Commission.

 

 

28.        The Meeting continued on 9th June, 2001 also and the additional agenda items were taken up as under:

 

Item 1.       To consider whether the remaining consultation papers which are at various stages of finalisation may now be prepared in the shape of the draft final report.

 

 

29.        The meeting was informed about the delay in finalisation of the remaining Consultation Papers (other than those Consultation papers released by the Commission on 8.1.2001 and 11.5.2001 and those to which approval in principle was granted by the Commission on 8.6.2001) and the limited time available for preparation of the final reports.  In the circumstances, the meeting decided that instead of preparing the Consultation Papers, finalizing them and releasing the same for public debate and discussion and eliciting public responses on the topics, draft final reports on the relevant topic be prepared and placed before the Commission for consideration.  The meeting also decided that the above decision would not apply to the four Consultation Papers relating to the Advisory Panel on “Decentralization and Devolution; Empowerment & Strengthening of Panchayati Raj Institutions” and the Consultation Paper on “Appointments to the Superior Judiciary”, all of which should be finalized at the earliest and released in the traditional form as Consultation Papers as per the earlier procedure.

 

Item 2:       Consideration of the letters dated 6.6.2001 received from Justice Shri J. Eswara Prasad, Chairman, Appellate Tribunal for Forfeited Property.

 

30.        The meeting considered the letter containing proposals for amendment of section 2(2) (c) of the Smugglers and Foreign Exchange Manipulators (Forfeiture

of Property) Act, 1976.  It was decided that the topic contained in the proposal would be suitably discussed in the Consultation Paper on “Probity in Governance”.   The second letter containing proposal for amendment of article 348(1)(a) of the Constitution was deferred to be taken up at the next meeting.

 

 

            The meeting thereafter ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

 

 

 

(RAGHBIR SINGH)

Secretary

To

 

All Members of the Commission

 

ANNEXURE

 

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS OF THE EIGHTH MEETING

 

 

1.       Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah (In Chair)

2.       Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy

3.       Hon’ble Justice Dr. Kottapalli Punnayya

4.       Shri Soli J. Sorabjee

5.       Shri K. Parasaran

6.       Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap

7.       Shri C.R. Irani

8.       Dr. Abid Hussain 

9.       Dr. Raghbir Singh, Secretary

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MINUTES OF THE NINTH MEETING OF THE COMMISSION HELD FROM  THE 20TH TO  22ND  JULY 2001

 

 

            The Ninth meeting of the Commission was held in the Conference Room of the Commission in Vigyan Bhawan Annexe, at 11.00 a.m. on 20th, 21st and 22nd July, 2001.  Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah chaired the meeting.  The list of participants is at Annexure.

2.         The Hon’ble Chairperson extended a warm welcome to the Members and requested the Secretary to take up the Agenda.

 

Item: 1.         Confirmation of the minutes of the Eighth meeting of   the Commission held on 8th and 9th June, 2001

 

           

3.         The modified Minutes of the Eighth Meeting of the Commission held on 8th and 9th June, 2001 were taken as read and confirmed.

 

 

Item 2:       Review of the progress of public interactive sessions/seminars being organized by the National Law Schools/Universities

 

4.         Secretary explained that the Commission had identified ten Universities/institutions during the eighth meeting for organizing seminars. Thereafter, Aligarh Muslim University also agreed to organize a seminar. An amount of Rs. 40,000/- being the contribution of the Commission for each seminar has already been released in respect of seven institutions. In respect of the remaining institutions, the amounts will be sanctioned as soon as confirmations are received. The meeting was also informed that the West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences, Kolkata conducted public interactive seminar on 7th and 8th July, 2001. The official report from the University has not yet come. Reportedly, it achieved a high degree of success in presenting the work of the Commission in proper perspective.

 

Item 3:    Review of the Progress made in regard to the four Consultation Papers

 

(i)                  Local Self-government: Municipalities

(ii)                Panchayats

(iii)              Decentralization in the Tribal Context

(iv)               73rd Amendment of the Constitution, where applied in the North-East

 

5.         The meeting was informed that the draft Consultation Papers had been received on the topics mentioned at (i) and (ii) above and the same were discussed in the third meeting of the Advisory Panel held on 20.6.2001.  Shri P.A. Sangma, Member-in-charge of the Advisory Panel, informed the meeting that he would make all efforts to ensure that the Advisory Panel finalizes the Consultation Papers by 30.7.2001.

 

Item 4:       Consideration of the Background Papers on (i) Concurrent Powers of Legislation under List III of the Seventh Schedule; and (ii) Article 262 and Inter-State Disputes Relating to Water

 

6.         The meeting discussed these Papers in detail and approved the same in principle subject to editorial modifications and formatting.  It was agreed that these would not be required to be released for discussion and public debate, being background papers.  When the draft final report on the subject of Union-State Relations comes up for discussion, these background papers, to the extent the Commission may approve, could be integrated into the basic theme of the report and would again be discussed.

 

Item 5:       Review of the progress in drafting of the Background Papers.

 

 

7.         The meeting was informed of the present status of drafting of all the background papers.  The meeting agreed that in view of the limited time available with the Commission for completing its task, all the background papers should be ready latest by 10th August, 2001.

 

Item 6 & 7:  Review of the progress in drafting of Volumes I and II of the Final Report

 

8.         The meeting was informed of the present status of drafting of Volumes I and II of the Final Report.  A time schedule for preparation of the draft final report containing the contents, estimated length of the topic, Consultation/Background Papers to be reflected in writing the topic, the name of persons to prepare the report on each topic and the date of completion of drafting of the report on the topic was circulated at the meeting.  The meeting generally agreed with the broad design and proposed contents of the two volumes. Regarding the estimated length of the topics, it was agreed that the limits mentioned could be varied depending on the requirements.  The meeting decided that in the column indicating the name of the persons responsible for the preparation of the report, only the names of Members-in-charge of the subject be mentioned and the names of other persons who would assist in drafting them, should find a place in the column under the heading ‘Remarks’. It was agreed that each Member-in-charge should take the responsibility for the draft final report relating to the topic under his area.

 

The meeting decided that there was need to have uniformity of approach in the structure of the various chapters of the final report since the drafts are to be prepared by different Members.  After a brief discussion, it was agreed that a chapter on each topic should first, mention the relevant constitutional provisions in brief; secondly, discuss as to how the same have worked during last fifty-one years - whether any problems have arisen in their working; thirdly, evaluate what the various options available to tackle the said problems are and finally, make the recommendations.

 

Item 8:    Consideration of the letter dated 6.6.2001 received from Justice Shri J. Eswara Prasad, Chairman, Appellate Tribunal for Forfeited Property.

 

9.         The issues arising out of the letter regarding inclusion of  “National Appellate Tribunals and Commissions” after “Supreme Court and in every High Court” in article 348(1)(a) were discussed. The meeting decided that the issue basically related to the Government’s policy on official language. No specific decision was taken.

 

           

Item 9:    Consideration of the letter dated 26.6.2001 received from Justice Shri M.C. Jain, Lokayukta, Rajasthan, regarding the Model Lokayukta Bill.

 

10.        The meeting decided that the issues raised in the letter were relatable to the topic of ‘Probity in governance’ as well as the area of  ‘Union-State Relations’ and as such these should to be taken up for discussion while considering draft final reports on these subjects.

 

Item 10:      Consideration of the letter received from The India Country Office of UNICEF regarding “Enlargement of Fundamental Rights”.

 

 

11.        The letter was taken note of by the meeting and it was decided that the issues raised in the letter could be considered by the Commission while considering the draft final report on the topic relating to “Enlargement of Fundamental Rights.”

 

Items 11 & 12: Consideration of the letters dated 18th June, 2001 from Shri Syed Shahabuddin and dated 20th June, 2001 from Shri Dawa Lama, M.P.

 

12.        The issues brought out in these two letters relating to the rights of religious minorities were considered by the meeting. The Chairperson explained the background of the matter in brief. Shri Soli J. Sorabjee, the Member-in-charge of the subject ‘Enlargement of Fundamental Rights’ informed the meeting the reasons why the Advisory Panel had not discussed the subject in the Consultation Paper on the topic that had been approved by the Commission and released for public debate and discussion on 11th May, 2001. However, as Shri Syed Shahabuddin was to be invited to meet the Commission, the matter could be discussed further.

 

Item 13:  Report of the Secretary about the responses to the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires.

 

13.        The report submitted by the Secretary on the item was taken on record. A gist of the responses to the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires received so far from the Central/State Governments/UT Administrations and Political Parties etc. was circulated to the Members during the meeting.

 

Item 14: Interaction with prominent persons.

 

 

14.        A list of the prominent persons proposed to be invited for interaction with the Commission was circulated in the Meeting. The meeting felt that there was need to prescribe some broad norms informing the preparation of the list of invitees. It was, however, agreed that the list might include the names of former Presidents, former Prime Ministers, former Chief Justices of Supreme Court, former Speakers, former editors of the national dailies, Chairpersons of the statutory Commissions. It was also agreed that former Governors, whose number may be in the neighborhood of three, based on their seniority, be invited. Similarly three to five senior serving Governors could also be invited.

 

Item 15: Any other item, with the permission of the Chair.

 

15.        No item was taken up under this agenda item.

 

Item 16: Letter received from Shri P.A. Sangma in the matter of entitlement of persons of foreign origin to hold public offices.

 

16.       The various issues raised in the letter of Shri Sangma were discussed by the meeting.

 

Item 17:      Letter received from the Counselor, High Commission of India, Nairobi, suggesting visit of the Chairperson and other Members of the Commission to Nairobi.

 

17.        The meeting discussed the letter under consideration. The meeting authorized the Hon’ble Chairperson to take appropriate decision in the matter.

 

Item 18: Review of the progress in the disposal of representations from organizations and bodies in respect of various issues.

 

18.       The meeting was informed that in pursuance of the decision of the Commission taken in its fifth meeting held on 29.12.2000, the Hon’ble Chairperson had, vide his proceedings dated 3.1.2001, allocated certain representations to the Members/Group of Members for examination and recommending to the Commission the course of action to be taken thereon. The Hon’ble Chairperson requested the concerned Members to take action on priority basis so that action could be completed on the representations. If the Members so desired, they could hear the representationists before taking a view thereon.

 

Item 19: Consideration of the cover design for the final Report;

 

 

19.       The meeting decided to request Shri C.R. Irani to have a few samples of cover design for the final report prepared and place the same for consideration of the Commission. Shri Irani agreed to do so and requested the Secretary to send a few samples that were submitted before the Commission so that he could have an idea of the content part of it.

 

Item 20:      Constitution of an “Editorial Committee” for processing of     final Report on day-to-day basis.

 

20.        The Meeting agreed to request Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap to Chair the Editorial Committee proposed to be constituted. It was left to the Hon’ble Chairperson to decide about the other Members/Experts to be included in the Committee in consultation with Dr. Kashyap.

 

Item 21:      Consideration of the proposal to fix dates for two meetings each month for at least four days each in the months of August, September and October 2001.

 

21.       The Hon’ble Chairperson explained the need to have regular meetings in the next three months in order to complete the task in hand. The Meeting left it to the Hon’ble Chairperson to decide the dates and duration of the meetings.

 

The meeting thereafter ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

 

 

(RAGHBIR SINGH)

Secretary

To

 

            All Members of the Commission

 

ANNEXURE

 

 

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS OF THE NINTH MEETING

 

 

 

1.       Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah            (In Chair)

2.       Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy  

3.       Justice Shri R.S. Sarkaria                                   (not present on 21st and 22nd July)

4.       Hon’ble Justice Dr. Kottapalli Punnayya

5.       Shri P.A. Sangma

6.       Shri Soli J. Sorabjee                                           (not present on 22nd July)

  1. Shri K. Parasaran
  2. Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap
  3. Shri C.R. Irani                                                    (not present on 20th July)
  4. Dr. Abid Hussain 
  5. Smt. Sumitra G. Kulkarni
  6. Dr. Raghbir Singh, Secretary

 


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MINUTES OF THE TENTH MEETING OF THE COMMISSION HELD FROM  THE 23rd TO  25th  AUGUST 2001

 

            The Tenth meeting of the Commission was held in the Conference Room of the Commission in Vigyan Bhawan Annexe, at 10.00 a.m. from 23rd to 25th August 2001.  Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah chaired the meeting.  The list of participants is at Annexure.

 

2.         The Hon’ble Chairperson extended a warm welcome to the Members and requested the Secretary to take up the Agenda.

 

Item: 1.            Confirmation of the minutes of the Tenth meeting of   the Commission held from 20th to 22nd July, 2001

 

3.         The meeting decided that the minutes under Item 16 might be substituted with the following:

“There was a brief discussion on the issue raised in the letter of Shri Sangma.  Further discussion on the issue was deferred.”

 

Subject to the above, the Minutes of the ninth Meeting of the Commission held from 20th to 22nd July 2001 were taken as read and confirmed.

 

Item 2:   Review of the progress in the preparation of the following     Papers on Judiciary:

 

(i)                  Consultation Paper on ‘Procedure for appointment of Judges of Supreme Court and High Courts’;

(ii)                Background Paper on ‘Financial Autonomy of the Judicial Branch of the State’.

 

4.         The meeting was informed that the Consultation Paper on item No. (i) above has been drafted and the same has been circulated amongst the Members of the Advisory Panel on 25th July, 2001.  The meeting was also informed about the progress in the drafting of the Paper on Item (ii) above. The meeting desired that the two Papers should be finalized before the next meeting and placed before the Commission for consideration at the next meeting.

 

5.         The Members were generally of the view that the two Papers would not cover a comprehensive review of the working of the Judiciary in the country, such as the quality of the trial systems, judicial delays, cost of litigation, docket-explosion, the quality of judgments, lack of uniform procedures in the High Courts, etc.  It was decided that there was need to prepare a Paper covering all these aspects.

 

6.         The meeting accordingly decided that Prof. N.R. Madhava Menon or, if for any reason his services are not available, some one else with comprehensive knowledge of the working of the judicial branch may be requested to prepare a Paper covering all the above mentioned aspects also taking into account all the existing Reports/studies available on the subject in the country.  The meeting left it to Shri K. Parasaran and Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap to discuss with Prof. Madhava Menon and persuade him to undertake the work.

7.         The meeting also indicated that the above Paper should encompass ‘Systemic and Procedural Reforms’ of Judiciary and Shri K. Parasaran and Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap were requested to supervise the work and thereafter prepare a draft final report on the topic.

 

Item 3:              Consideration of the following Consultation Papers on  ‘Decentralisation and Devolution; Empowerment and Strengthening of Panchayati Raj Institutions’:

 

(iii)              Panchayats

(iv)               Municipalities

(v)                 Empowerment and Strengthening of Local Self-Government in Cantonments

 

8.         The meeting discussed these three Consultation Papers in detail and approved the same in principle.  However, the requisite  editorial modifications and formatting were authorized to be carried out before the Chairperson finally approved these for being released for public debate and eliciting public response.

 

Item 4:      Consideration of the Background Papers on:

 

(vi)               Literacy

(vii)             Employment and Social Security

 

9.         The meeting discussed these Papers in detail and approved the same in principle.  However, the requisite editorial modifications and formatting of the same were allowed to be carried out before the Chairperson finally approved these for being released as Consultation Papers for public debate and eliciting public response.

 

Item 5.          Review of the progress in the preparation of other Background Papers

 

10.        The progress in drafting of all the remaining background papers was intimated to the meeting.  The meeting desired that the following background papers might be finalized and placed before the Commission in its next meeting for approval:

 

(i)                   Parliamentary Reforms

(ii)                 Standards in Public Life and Reforms in Administration

(iii)                Constitutional Response to Good Governance and Macro Economic Management

(iv)                Legal Control of Monetary and Fiscal Policy

 

11.        The meeting was informed that the draft of the Paper on ‘Barriers to Inter-State Trade and Commerce’ had been received from Prof. M.P. Singh only a day earlier.  The meeting desired that this Paper might be referred to the Advisory Panel concerned for consideration at the earliest.

 

12.        The meeting was informed that the Paper on ‘Financial Relations amongst the Union and States was being prepared by Shri P.N. Mittal, a retired Member of the Central Board of Direct Taxes and the draft was likely to be received shortly.

 

Item 6:             Review of the progress of public interactive sessions/seminars being organized by the National Law Schools/Universities

 

13.        The meeting was informed that the seminars had already been conducted/proposed to be conducted as per the following programme:

 

(i)                   West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences, Kolkatta on 7-8 July, 2001

(ii)                 Mangalore University, Mangalore on 30-31 July, 2001

(iii)                NALSAR University, Hyderabad 25-26 August, 2001

(iv)                Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh 6-7 September, 2001

 

The other Universities had again been requested to expedite the seminars. The meeting was also informed that in addition to the National Law Schools/ Universities identified earlier, Assam University, Silchar had also agreed to organize the seminar and it was proposed to pay the Commission’s contribution (Rs. 40,000) to them for the proposed seminar. The meeting endorsed the proposal. The meeting also desired that the Secretariat should follow up with the North East Hill University for organization of the seminar and there would be no objection if there were more than one seminar in the NE region of the country.

 

Item 7:          Consideration of the Cover Design for the Final Report

 

14.        The meeting discussed the Cover Design for the Final Report as prepared and sent by Shri C.R. Irani and desired to have some more designs, particularly in relation to the colour combination as well as the content and size of the font.

 

Item 8:      Review of the progress in drafting of Volume I of the Final Report

 

15.        A draft compilation of  volume I of the Final Report was circulated at the meeting with the request that suggestions, if any, may be made after the Members went through the draft, so that the same could be improved.

 

Item: 9:     Review of the Progress in drafting of Volume II of the Final Report

 

16.        The meeting discussed the format and broad contents of Volume II of the Final Report. The Hon’ble Chairperson suggested that a small chapter on ‘Secularism’ might be added at an appropriate place in the Report. The meeting agreed to the suggestion.

 

Item 10:      Report of the Secretary about the responses to the Consultation    Papers and Questionnaires, received so far from the Central/State Governments/Political Parties, etc.

17.        The report of the Secretary on the subject was taken on record. A summary of the suggestions and responses to the Consultation Papers and Questionnaires received up to 17th August, 2001, duly ledgerised, was circulated amongst the Members during the meeting.

 

Item 11:   Review of the progress made in interaction with prominent persons

 

18.        The meeting reviewed the progress made. The meeting deliberated upon the desirability of using a tape recorder for recording the interaction with the prominent persons for facilitating preparation of the record of discussions. There was no consensus on the issue. The meeting decided that the draft of summary of discussions prepared by the Secretariat should first be sent to the dignitary concerned for his approval. After such approval of the draft, the same should be circulated amongst the Members of the Commission and can be appropriately used for the purposes of the Report.

           

Item 12:       Any other item, with the permission of the Chair.

 

19.        With the permission of the Chair, a copy of the letter dated 6th August, 2001 received from Professor Iqbal A. Ansari, Secretary General of the Minorities Council, New Delhi forwarding there with his note of the discussion of the interaction with the Commission in the meeting held on 22nd July, 2001 was circulated.  The meeting was of the view the note of discussion sent by Prof Ansari contained his version of the discussions. The meeting, however, decided that a reply might be sent to Prof. Ansari acknowledging his letter and informing him that the Secretariat of the Commission had prepared their own record of the discussions for being placed before the Commission. 

 

20.        It was generally agreed that the next meetings of the Commission might be held from 6th to 12th September and from 17th to 30th September, 2001. However, the Hon’ble Chairperson was authorized to fix the actual dates for the meetings after ascertaining the convenience of the members.  The Chairperson stressed the importance of the presence and participation of all the Members at the future meetings, which were crucial to the quality of the Final Report.

 

The meeting thereafter ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair.

 

 

(RAGHBIR SINGH)

Secretary

To

All Members of the Commission

 

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS OF THE TENTH MEETING

 

1.       Hon’ble Justice Shri M.N. Venkatachaliah  (In Chair)

2.       Justice Shri B.P. Jeevan Reddy               (not present on 25th August)

3.       Justice Shri R.S. Sarkaria                       (not present on 25th August)

4.       Justice Dr. Kottapalli Punnayya

5.       Shri P.A. Sangma                                   (not present on 24th and 25th August)

6.       Shri Soli J. Sorabjee                               (not present on 23rd and 24th August)

  1. Shri K. Parasaran

8.       Dr. Subhash C. Kashyap

  1. Shri C.R. Irani                                        (not present on 23rd August) <